Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. Around this time a second surveillance was being carried out on Burnside and three members of his team who had travelled to Liverpool in another car. My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe. [23], It was parodied by the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. The Old Govan Fair. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. Wine Alley feels very European and I love it! Claire Fitzpatrick - I wonder if your Mary is one of our family? I lived with my aunt and uncle (Mary Steven, Mailey) my aunt was a cook in Ibrox. I went to St. Margaret's and I remember Susan's shop where she would stand outside to see where people where buying their messages from. Community service. 110m Govan Road Campus . The origins of the Doomster Hill are a mystery. [28], In 1977, the Labour government of James Callaghan passed the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act which nationalised Govan and grouped it with other major British shipyards as British Shipbuilders. 109m Bells Bar . Hullo! I also went to the Glasgow City Mission which was in Kintra Street, how I loved my childhood. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, textile mills and coal mining were important; in the early-nineteenth century, shipbuilding emerged as Govan's principal industry. So, has Glasgow and other cities always been in the hands of comprehensive planners who take an overview of all the parties involved? In 1841, Robert Napier began iron shipbuilding in Govan, and in 1843 produced its first ship, the Vanguard. I really like the big Co-op department store and Woolworths on Langlands Road. Thus, Damer saw that this decision of loading more of the socially deprived into an existing deprived area, only added to Mooreparks growing problems of joblessness, poverty, depression, drunkenness and crime. From 1815 onwards, a total of 67 men and four women were hanged at the Glasgow Green site, which was once known as Jail Square. Many of the people who buy these flats do not intend to stay in them rather; they hope either to rent them out at exorbitant prices or to sell them quickly at a greater price than they bought them for. (was it Grant's????? It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. My maternal grandfather was a master brass moulder in the shipyards. Gallery. I now live in Scotstoun but attend same dentist at Water Row Govan! It is now an industrial estate. On the other hand, a government that takes no heed of the community at large fails also. Laurel Brook. Used to spend all summer there paying in twice, having to queue up for second swim with towel around yourself sometimes freezing and having to wait in line. Government organisation. Interest. who until March 2014 played at Tinto Park (Drumoyne) then moved to the adjacent New Tinto Park. 4 Markus, 1993, p. 161 or. Glasgow Braendam Link is a Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in Scotland, No. It was absolutely awesome growing up in Govan, lots of shops, such as; Galbraiths, Dands Bobby's, David's butchers, BrotherSoft paper shop, modern book shop, and Woolworths, we had a great wee doctors surgery on Langlands Road, Peacocks bakery, Nicholls store and Amey's cafe. Mind you, the mice we lifted them out of a glass tank by the tail then put them in thick brown bags of thinnish white boxes for their journey home and I'm convinced most would have chewed through and escaped within minutes of leaving the shop. Jackson retired in 1992 after a distinguished 32-year career with Burnside and his cohorts still behind bars. I remember two days before we left in 1963, I took her to the Govan Fair, and that was the last one I ever saw. We left Govan when I was two, then lived for five years in Markinch before moving on to Kelty, Cowdenbeath, Armadale, and Rushden down in England. In June 2004 the Scottish Parliaments Public Petition Committee heard presentations from Govan Community Council about the failure of local regeneration policies in housing, poverty and unemployment. Without a home, mankind has no place. I loved going to the Steamie with my Mum and her friends. She got married in 1956 to my grandfather Robert. In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britains most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley of Govan in Glasgow. I loved it there we could watch the ships being built and then launched from the bedroom window. I was born in the Southern General Hospital in 1958 and lived at 23 McGregor Street, Chookiehill [Teucharhill] as it was fondly called then. Burnside also appeared to take sadistic pleasure in watching them scrabbling about on the ground looking for their hit. A friend called called Alison Galbraith. Loving your stories, my nana was born at 15 Elder Street, Govan in 1893. My father "served his time" in the Thermotank then for many years was a policeman in Plantation Street. [1][2] By the early 20th century Moorepark was bounded by the commercial properties, tenements and villas of the Broomloan estate to the east and railway lines to the west. My dad was taken in to see the wee boy, turns out it was me. I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. Owned by Harry Knop in the 40s. Writing on behalf of my auntie. I was searching for Harry Lauder pictures and came across this interesting site. My Aunt Marg & Uncle Jack Johnstone had the paper shop on Govan Road. I lived my early years in Govan on Vicarfield Street opposite St. Gerard's School where many of my older cousins attended, amongst them the McCurrys. Log In. I would say about 90% of them never stayed in the winey they probably stayed kintra st, briton st, brighton st or clynder st etc but never the winealley. Today the area is policed from bright new shiny offices opposite Bellahouston Park on Helen Street. A great place to live. The jumps I remember were at the swing park at Harhill across from the steamie and at Greenfield where we jumped the middens and shelter and going along the wall (single brick width). Wine Alley by Colin Quigley. There is absolutely no hiding from the fact that no Section 30 is the bullying action of a . Not Now. Unresolved: Release in which this issue/RFE will be addressed. [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. I met him at our place of employment. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. For other uses, see. 81 Albums for you to enjoy : Bellahouston Academy School Photo's St Saviour's Primary School Photo's Lourdes Primary School Photo's St Gerards School. Introduction Mother has an excellent memory and I am attempting to write down stories about; the old shops; events streets and everything. 9 Goodlad, and Meegan, 2005, p. 188, Community Power in Community Planning During my first year studying sociology I came across Damer again in the form of a book that he had written about poverty and deprivation in the Wine Alley but put it to the back of my mind. I was pretty sad when I left Govan and leaving my family was devastating to me. She had 3 boys Alex, Willie and Robert. See more of Sunny Govan Memories on Facebook. HP10 9TY. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Small things eh? It goes on to say that although bad housing design, and the allowance of dilapidation has been part of the problem, still housing is not the whole answer. This present attitude towards housing has serious implications for the future. I used to go to Jack's Bakers on a Saturday morning for a dozen rolls and half a dozen teabread and I still got change from a half a crown (12.5 pence), happy days! One thing is clear about Woodinville's Woodin Creek, it is very dog friendly! Call now (425) 271-4501; Address. Hi, I'm not from Govan though my grandparents, Janet (Nettie) and David Finlayson owned a newsagents in Neptune Street in the 1940s/1950s. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Know your enemy. I was born in Southern General 1971, lived in 1 Elder Street with my mum Ina Quinn and dad Peter Quinn, brothers and sister. Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. The first was an experimental improvement programme, which had the initiatives: the partial modernisation of the houses, the re-planning of the external environment, and the construction of a Tenants Hall. Anyone know the Maguire family from Logie Street and 147 Langlands Road? I was born in 1961. This is a small family owned and operated place. Conecteaz-te. @AlanJParks" We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing "ball" against the red brick wall for hours. Memory says it was painted red but I might be wrong. Burnside, 42, known as the Godfather, lived on the top-floor flat of his tenement. Editors' Code of Practice. I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. The answer is 1 authority is necessary because it plays an indispensable mediating role at local and city level through bringing togeth locals and officials. If I could I would have bought many! Contact. I always thought it was a listed building. When I was a wee lassie of four living on Neptune Street in the early 50's I walked away down the street from our close and got lost. Contents Where Were Hanged In Glasgow? My dad was Boaby Rodgers he got knocked down and killed when I was 3 in 1964 and my mum was left a widow with 4 wee girls. It was massive and as a wee girl it was magical, as well as Dands I also remember Bobbys on Langlands Rd, I got my Bay City Rollers trousers there, lol, there was loads of shoe shops in Govan, one was called Cherries I'm sure, also a massive one can't remember name, just round from Burleigh St, a few years back it was Bradley's chemist. [9] It had also been parodied by the BBC Scotland television comedy series Rab C. Nesbitt, with Wine Alley and the wider Govan area the stated setting for the show, though episodes were seldom filmed there. Naw, he was told, but we have a wee boy in the back. Housing Estate (Modern) Site Name Glasgow, Govan, Moorepark Housing Estate. Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard Gran was Annie Murphy but her dad died when she was 4 and her mother remarried John Johnston and went on to have a huge number of children - and as we research the family, we keep finding more. I lived in Kintra Street from 1946 until 1960 and went to Broomloan Road school then Govan High. My great grandfather lived at 67 Garmouth Street with his 3 daughters. I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. Would love to get in touch with any old pals for the era 1965-1976. Site Number NS56NE 4994. In 1855, an elaborately carved sandstone sarcophagus was found during digging in the churchyard. [31], In 1999, GEC's Marconi Marine division purchased the yard when Kvrner announced its departure from the shipbuilding industry. This work was focused on parent-child. 3 Smith, 1999, p. 40-41 Bishop King. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. [10], Not much is known about any medieval village that may have surrounded the church until 1454 when it is recorded that whole houses, barns and mills in the village were brought down by a great flood. He and his pals jumped out and I ran back up three stories screaming. [21], The area has had a reputation for deprivation and poverty, partly due to the construction of housing estates in the 1930s to relieve the overcrowded slum district of The Gorbals, Glasgow. My sisters were Elaine & Brenda and my brother was George. Govan's earliest recorded name may be found in the Historia regum Anglorum attributed to Symeon of Durham. Old Photographs Govan Glasgow Scotland tourscotland 31K subscribers 111 27K views 5 years ago Tour Scotland wee video of old photographs of Govan, Glasgow, on the south bank of the River Clyde,. Also remember when we started school in 1943, we had to carry our gas masks with us. It was dedicated to St Constantine, who had been buried at Govan. I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. I recall going to the Co-op hypermarket on a Saturday morning for messages. The evidence they gathered was crucial and the jury was able to see the gang operating on the video footage shown to them. In 1885, the yard moved further west to its present site and was reorganised as the Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. I too, have fond memories of playing and performing small shows, and we all thought we could act. Glorious Govan. The latest victory for the SNP was in the 2007 Scottish parliamentary elections, when Nicola Sturgeon became the MSP for the constituency. My cousin disappeared, the policeman went into the steamie and came out with a bucket of soapy water and a cloth to wipe it off. He said be a good girl, I don't want to see you when you're 17 causing problems. My sister and I were married in 1961 at Govan Parish where we were members. [25], Govan was at one point the centre of the world-renowned Clydeside shipbuilding industry. [12], There is an oddity whereby part of eighteenth-century parish of Govan (which was in Lanarkshire) is counted as being within Renfrewshire. In Cowie Street, Kinning Park there was a pub at the corner but can't remember what it was called? I was in the 102 Life Boys then the Boys Brigade with my big brother Tommy. Does anyone remember; Sophie, Robert; and Mary,who lived in Carmichael Street, Govan 1936? Darners later thoughts on a solution to the schemes problems were that it could be found in Community Planning for, as he says, members of the underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances. J. N. REILLY There is a war on. Did the papers for Maggie Slimmins and the milk for the coop this paid for my first real bike from Andy McNeil's, before that I had a clenny model. Only a few years into it, faults like dampness had begun to appear in the tower blocks of the Laurieston/ Gorbals project, which rapidly turned into a disaster area. Not Now. Below are memories and stories about Govan posted by visitors to the site. We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. My brother and I would wait for the coal lorry to come round the corner and hang onto the back of it as it drove up the street. The Version table provides details related to the release that this issue/RFE will be addressed. Very fond memories. Glorious Govan. My cousins and I thought we should try this. I was born in Broomloan Road by the pot heid (TSB) bank which is still there. It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. Renton, WA 98058. I almost joined Majorettes but I had no coordination so no chance of being Govan Queen either that year. The first trade I learnt was stealing and gambling yet it seemed normal to all of us as children. [27], In 1971, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders went into receivership and the Conservative government led by Edward Heath refused to give them a 6,000,000 loan. I now live in Brydekirk village but I'll never forget Govan. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. Pauline Belkadi: Thanks for the name of the shop 'Bobby's'. Finally, Darners last thoughts on a solution to Mooreparks spiralling problems were that it could be found in Community Planning. We always used to stop at your house on the way home from St. Anthony`s school, for a blether. Any profits went into the family home and we knew that we would get in return our Saturday matinee money and a sweety. British Shipbuilders road to privatisation was not as swift, and the group was sold piece by piece throughout the course of the 1980s. Above is a quote from a seasoned Timfrom the unfairly labelled Wine Alley (Moorpark) area, once of greater Govan, just off Broomloan Road. 5 In the cace of Easterhouse it was the various interested parties of the Eastethoude Community Group who decided to get the authorities to tske notice of their plight by directly intervening their own affairs. If either cop was caught then they were on a hiding to nothing. Teraz nie. Its cells were just as grim but did not seem to deter the many local villains who frequented them on a regular basis. Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! The newlyweds got engaged in April 2018 after dating for three years and were forced to delay their wedding last April due to the coronavirus pandemic. The people of Govan didn't often use a vet, but came into the shop with their poorly pets and we all fussed over them, cuddled them, nursed them and Jackie recommended and administered patent pet medicines like Bob Martins. [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. And increase their/your revenues. C/o Jones Lang LaSalle 150 St Vincent Street Glasgow G22 5ND AGENT Jones Lang LaSalle 150 St Vincent Street Glasgow G22 5ND WARD NO (S) 52, Govan COMMUNITY COUNCIL 02_073, Govan CONSERVATION AREA LISTED ADVERTTYPE Bad Neighbour Development PUBLISHED 24 October 2003 SITE AND DESCRIPTION "I like to be challenged and Govan did that every day.". He liked nothing better than tothrow empty drugs packets out of his window and watch a crowd of desperateaddicts scrambling for them. The area was parodied in the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt, though episodes were usually filmed elsewhere. It was the policy that those with low incomes, few housing points or nowhere else to go, could only expect the least attractive housing. From start to finish this series has been amazing roll on book four! Wine Alley was in a part of Govan which is "pretty much gone now but it was notorious," he described. My gran was Ella Campbell who lived in Greenfield Street during the 50s and 60 s. Resolved: Release in which this issue/RFE has been resolved. Her daughter had a hairdressers just up from St Constantine's, I think, and my Gran got me to go along and help her wash the towels on Saturday night. Lots of memories too many to say here. I used to visit your Mum and Dad. Glorious Govan. I was born and lived in Harmony Row, 1960, before moving to Drumchapel in 1961. We were also in the Choir at Govan Parish church and in the B.B. Govan (/vn/ GUV-n; Cumbric? She had two brothers James (b.1924), Michael (b.1928) Agnes (b.1930) and Kathleen (b.1932). Log In. contact the editor here. The main point of the Presentation was that, in an area which had lost 80% of its population (between 1951 and 2001), the re-zoning of demolished housing areas for warehousing and offices meant that there was less chance of people coming back into the area to live, as houses were needed in these areas and not anonymous commercial barns and offices. I would so love to hear from you if you do. This was a very hard job physically where we would carry a wicker basket (full of ashes, etc.) alebo. Charlotte was a sweet pup who eagerly posed for a pic. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. sau. Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? Yes Danny, Hamilton Street was renamed to Nethan Street between 1931 and 1932. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! Otherwise, unless there is agreement between authority and community, issues like social segregation will never go away unless something is done is because the housing system (and the way it operates) encourages the separation of the rich and the poor.
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