When you carry, do you keep it chambered or do you keep it unchambered so you'd have to actually chamber your gun when you need to use it? Of course my Smith .38 has EVERY chamber with a round in it. Didnt fire..interesting. Carry without one in the pipe for a while to get used to it. After a few years of working on them self-taught, I finally . I answered the asked question. PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. Well, except for that ad hominem attack, anyway. . Practice holstering and unholstering without a round and see if the trigger is pulled. I have no problem with a 1911 locked and loaded, there has been one in my car since I bought it in 2010. So when do you get to be a klutz if youve taken the time to train those reactions until as the experts say you not only get it right, you cant get it wrong? The full magazine has ten rounds, and the "+1" is the round that is in the chamber. Thought about getting the Sig with the external safety, but decided not too. I think the Glock leg argument is kinda straying off into another argument, that could be a good idea for its own article. I can raise and lower the bolt slowly in complete silence. The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. I have four. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense. It should stay the way it is. So, us non-glockentines keep a low pro on discussing polymers and plastics, but if I had to go to war tomorrow, you can it would be an all steel weapon. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. And I dont want to have to think about anything. This is a particularly great idea. Not exactly. You rotate the cylinder halfway between the nipples and lower the hammer on the carry notch. Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). Carry chambered ever since. Alright so you said all the pros, not all are valid. The internal Safe Action System will not allow the pistol to go off accidentally. Hire someone who did it on other blogs. The Israelis didn't invent the practice but it got the name from Israeli armed forces policy. the first two rules of safe gun handling are Dont touch the trigger until you are ready to shoot, and dont point it at anything you dont want to destroy. Older single action revolvers or those still manufactured without a hammer block/transfer bar are theoretically more prone to discharge back in the day when you ride a horse as the drop from that position could allow the pistol to rotate muzzle up when it lands. At least until the computer catches up and opens multiple copies. Odds of the shooter getting 4 shots off would be pretty low. In my 3-screw, yes. So lets just say its a personal choice and your way isnt better than mine, but I will never accidently shoot my leg or foot. Theoretically, the slide safety could be accidentally disengaged in your holster rendering a cocked and locked 1911 significantly more susceptible to a ND when drawn given the user didnt know the safety was disengaged. Why, I havent the slightest idea. And, Mad, you really like those ad hominem attacks. Thats all Colt added to the series 80, the internal firing pin block. And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. More solid irrefutable proof that the Glock is an accident waiting to happen. Usually for at least an hour or so. And, sorry youre a confused fool. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. If the trigger safety is not . Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. Place your loaded, chambered G19 into the holster (not attached to your belt). (Take that, NYPD!) I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. Try it with any style sidearm. A S&W Model 329. First a 5906, then a PPK/S for 20 years. You carry your way and Ill carry mine. Unfortunately, some may not and I have no idea which do and which do not. 30 years carrying, 20 in the military with 6 combat deployments. Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. In meantime, happy to train Israeli carry and take the tragedy buffer. lol 15 in the clip one in the pipe. . Now, to rein in this trip into the weeds. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. A loaded Glock is a little more dangerous than a striker with a heavier trigger and when you carry a missile behind the hammer and like a lite trigger , like I do , I advise people to carry a thumb safety , like I do . Hell, try it with a taser. and self styled know it alls. In a way, the GLOCK trigger is similar to a double action revolver trigger. Make that line above into: a solution in search of a problem. That photo of the safe is cute, if completely patronizing to those who make the kids argument. Does the Glock fire then? Does the gun have a external safety, or is it internal. you roll the dice. I know some people , maybe most people , will be just fine carrying a Glock with a loaded chamber , but all the reasons people give for not are not 100% wrong either . I could carry Israeli style, I suppose, and draw-and-rack if it comes to that, but I just saw a training video in which a woman carrying Israeli style would have been killed by a knife had the attack been real. Im a mommy-frelling ballerina with a pickem up truck towing. This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. Just bookmark the page you commented on, and then check back once in a while. . If you want a single action trigger pull, either carry a SAO autoloader in condition one, or choose a hammer fired model that one can manipulate its condition at will. Big Bill: First, mad would need to learn what punctuation is for. Glocks have a trigger pull of 5-1/2 to 6 pounds. When the handgun is retrieved, the mag is shoved in and the gun is ready to fire. Have you ever tried carrying your bolt action on a loaded round with the striker down? They ended up sticking to their story and making a big political deal out of it. Well, its nice to know Im negligible. Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. It's a little bullet with a decent velocity, but will it actually fill the freezer? Fairbairn and E.A. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. Its your right to be retarded. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Glocks are for professional that carry OWB at 3 o'clock where it is possible to see All the way around the holster While holstering the gun. Its your right to self defense. Consider this, if everyone carried a weapon in condition 3, how many mass shootings would there be? My Taurus Millenium G2, basically a glock with a safety, same thing, actions are needed to make it fire. Kind of like Youtube is determined to censor everything but SJWs and cat videos. If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. You can conceal the Glock 43 comfortably and discretely in a Galco leather holster like the . Your local police do exactly that. You should always carry with a round chambered. And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. Mr Hoober, If you werent too busy arrogantly doubling down, you might consider trying it some time instead of pretending you know everything but I suppose you are probably more interested in getting audience engagement than giving good advice. The Sig 320 problem was that it had an internal block but dropping (or smacking it with a hammer) could make the trigger move to disengage the firing pin block. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. It likewise utilizes a cocking system that is unique amongst striker-fired pistols. You've only seen one page. The chamber under the hammer of any carried revolver is *irrelevant* for the first shot, since cocking the hammer of an SA or pulling the trigger on a DA advances the next chamber to the firing position. Just old school geeze, too used to doing the hard chit the same way, but it worked for me. If you liked this article, you might be interested in one I wrote all about Glocks Safe Action System. I felt a few of the points that were raised had enough merit to discuss further. I wonder how it avoids the googlebots? 1 of 2 Go to page. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? But otherwise it still is a pretty good gunfight scene. Still no safety. i carry mostly to counter the mass shooting incident the type of which where afterward everybody says if there had only been a good guy with a gun and i will more likely than not have time to draw the weapon and charge it while i get my ooda loop going. Will again once they are old enough to figure out crapping ones pants is a bad idea. Perhaps why they werent interested in this modification, even though the investor designed it to be visually unobtrusive and to require minimal modifications to the original design. Some extras, just in case one breaks? These arent exactly the most concealable guns out there. silly? Please consider creating a . Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Theres a problem with absolutism: youre proven wrong too easily. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. If the slide goes back far enough to be out of battery, then the gun will just fire out of battery. You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. Cocked and locked . The Glock handgun is the favored handgun of police worldwide. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-2','ezslot_6',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-2-0');All this comes from an old incident within the New York City Police Department. So F_____g what? It was called Fractured Fairy Tales. In war or a defensive situation, that will get you killed. The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. Carry your GLOCK pistol chambered without worry, the same as every other modern striker fired pistol on the market. The Glock is a semi-automatic pistol that was originally designed by an Austrian manufacturer called Glock Ges.m.b.H in 1982. Again, carrying with an empty chamber isnt wrong, but it just isnt quite right. Jordan enjoys giving his time and resources to help others and has spent 15 years volunteering in a boy's mentoring program He is and will always be an American Patriot. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. He grew up hunting, fishing, and trapping. Maybe you just fumble finger the Glock when its out of the holster being put in a lockbox or on the counter at the range. Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. Discharge during take down? I could be ELI2016 if I wanted to. Sound off in the comments. plan A: have an empty gun you throw onto the ground to start the action. Ron DeSantis Says He Supports Adding Open Carry to Floridas Permitless Carry Bill, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/, https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s. I help equip people with knowledge and skills so they can be safe and effective with firearms. Dani: In the case of an inertial firing pin, nothing but a physical block on the firing pin itself will have the slightest effect. Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP. Amen brother. Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. I'd recommend a Hard Kydex holster like a comp-tac infidel. All I get is replies that they are working on it. A number of gun companies still produce single-action revolvers. As one gun writer said years ago, its amazing someone was not smart enough to hire a good gun savvy lawyer and sue Glock out of existence with all the accidents this pistol has caused. Not a hard and fast rule. Notice if the trigger is ever depressed. Kathy Jackson suggests that doing this safely comes down to two things, equipment and habits. And so easy to correct. I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. The gun is DA/SA, so the first shot is a long pull on the trigger, but I routinely practice it, so Im OK with it. Brain farts are a universal malady that effects 100% of all humans and the Glock and its clones are probably the least idiot proof handgun ever invented. Much longer than a Glock, twice as heavy as a Glock. That is a good point that I have never heard before. People who ride a motorcycle to work know damn well their chances of being seriously hurt in an accident is astronomically higher than driving a Pick up truck to work. Learn what it means to have muscle memory. Hell, Colt still makes the Single Action Army. I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. If one wishes to carry sans a round in the chamber. Not having a bullet in the chamber would make a discharge in the holster impossible. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. We were assured that; were working on it. I have trained chambering on the draw and while it is less effective I am still way ahead of the guy who doesnt carry. Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon.*. Ehall my pistolas are chambered with the safety engaged-at home. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. When I carry a semiautomatic pistol for self defense, the chamber is loaded and the safety is on. Yes Sir I do and the ones scattered in the house also. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security. Furthermore, every person I know or have talked to who does have a single-action revolver Rough Rider, Blackhawk or a replica has other guns that they use for those roles. They are all single-action guns even if the marketing guys play games saying they are 1.5-action or whatever. But thank goodness I dont have to make that choice. Just go to there web site, or go to your gun store for more information. But no self-defense. Congratulations. I made a folder called TTAG comments, and put all pages Ive commented on in there. If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. Farago sells out, the site gets taken over by snowflakes who spend every minute lining up sponsored content, and the content section gets taken over by trolls and vlads. Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? link to What is a Pistol Caliber Carbine. Next, there was some discussion about GLOCKs. Youd figure Colt would have gotten with the program by now and made the SAA with a transfer bar. I dont have to hit a bypass cause its cocked, or turn off a safety, just pump and fire. Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. Gunfights can happen that fast. Youll likely only be in one or two gunfights at most, in an entire lifetime. The Glock 17M and Glock 19X are two designs with Gen 5 features. Stop all AR-15 and AR-10 calibers with this RTS Tactical level 3+ Armor Kit. 3 your support hand may not be available. While millions of Americans keep and/or bear GLOCKs and GLOCK-like striker-fired pistols without mishap, mishaps do sometimes occur.Let's face it: the average gun owner has lousy trigger discipline. Well saving room for some ice cream after dinner is a bit higher on my list than any damn LDL or HDL mumbo jumbo. Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. Some folks in the comments section raised objections, as they are often wont to do. There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. First much like the Israelis Fairbairn and Sykes had to teach officers how to carry safely in a manner that got them street-ready quickly. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Either you will practice with chambered, or chamber empty. Smh. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. The fix was to add a safety. However, that may be the reason I carry a revolver, but the reason I carry a gun (as I said) is because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT. Introducing an unchambered firearm means you only have one hand, at best, firmly gripping the pistol. Ever. However, there still isnt a compelling reason to carry a gun or keeping one for home defense that isnt loaded which cant be gotten around with a bit of training, a bit of brains, or a bit of extra gear. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six??. I hope r.i.p is on your tombstone if you fail in a confrontation. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. This would require the grip safety to be disabled (a somewhat common modification) or to malfunction. True dat. At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. Empty chamber is one option, but there are others. ADs by glockinstine operators usually are extracting their golden goose with or wit out a pocket holster, by placing their finger, as so many comments referred to above, on the trigger upon extraction. THAT is a significant, even dangerous, error to be stating as fact. Considering the capabilities of the average glock owner, in front of the muzzle is likely the safest place to be. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Being a klutz is one thing. A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. . So yes, its completely safe. Must not be working on it very hard. Do you, punk? Few indeed even care about SA revolvers anymore, or even know they exist, or care about the firing mechanism. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? I like having a gun ready to shoot but I need a second chance when Im juggling. The good folks at Iver Johnson (related in name only to the company that exists today) developed a lifting bar that sat between the hammer and the primer of the cartridge. Safe and ready when I am. Even some shotguns will do that. I sold my Glocks for this very reason , sure , I came up with other rational reasons , but when I look myself in the mirror and Im absolutely honest with myself , I got rid of my Glocks because I carry loaded chamber and I am sometimes a dumb ass . And thats only firearms. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! It is a compact pistol that is chambered in 9mm and is designed for concealed carry. The New York Trigger as it became known had an 8-pound trigger pull. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales, The difference between you and me is I am real you live in a virtual reality world oh and btw dummy they dont call it Glock perfection for nothing, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. Big Bill: Yup. While I believe training is the answer, its not just fingers that are the problem. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? These are: 1. There are also the safety concerns . The 43 chambered for the 9x19 cartridge, along with its immediate predecessor the .380 caliber Model 42, were not the . The 1911 has a grip safety as well as a thumb safety. You know, due to the stress of OH MY GOD SOMEONES BREAKING INTO THE HOUSE AND HES GOT A GUN! Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. I just grabbed a shirt from the laundry pile. If my gun lands at my childs feet, an empty chamber leaves plenty of time to prevent a tragedy, but a chambered striker-fired gun may not. Marshals (1998). They're fun, handy, and can be very practical. I notice that you had to go look it up though. Absolutely YES!! A few overly trigger-happy officers within a department and a sly PR department really spun yarns on this one. In that case, the argument that any gun is better than no gun might be correct but thats as far as it goes. You just have to get comfortable with it. Ho Hum, Well written So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? Both have pros and cons the secret is you must be well versed to bringing your gun up to the level of lethal quickly. And we all make mistakes. It has a safety, but I dont really care about that. ended up in the guys nostril, and he still didnt get quiet, until he heard the cocking of the hammer. Maybe you should just use a spork. Since its a bookmark and not a save, it will go there and update to the latest info. Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). OH NO! Am I being silly? BTW.. Glocks have a 5.5lbs trigger pull so I doubt it will discharge from your love handle rubbing on it. - I'm too old to still think I know everything. My Taurus G2C is DAO, restrike, and no mag safety. . And, it actually impeded officers ability to hit a target. Granted, is loading a pistol, a shotgun or a rifle the most complicated thing in the world? Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. If you don't just pick ONE, then IMO you are always going to wonder if you're chambered or no. Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. I know, its a big word, all scary long and has lots of syllables, but try it out. I have done special work to lighten my trigger and its still not very touchy. Best thing you can do is buy a pistol that you can safely carry loaded with one in the chamber. or not. All previous exp., was with 1911s my Uncle names Sam loaded me, and the pipe was always warm n cuddly. Shorten that to GLOCKTOPIA! Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. OK, this isnt enough for you? If you were to compile a list of incidents of the GLOCK ND and start reading through them, youll find that in virtually every single instance, human error was the culprit. I dont expect hardware (or software) to compensate for a persons stupidity, as opposed to the opinion of many other people who think it should. Unlikely. Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions. The idea behind the floating firing pin is that if the firing pin is heavy enough, but made too short to actually be driven into the primer by the hammer, then when the hammer drops, the pin will be struck hard enough to give the pin enough of its own inertia to fire the round, yet then rebound to the rear. Always eith one in the chamber, hammer down and safety off. and so as to keep continuity in their mindset they keep that same gun on the headboard at night with no round in the chamber so that there wont be any confusion Let the one with no traffic tickets throw the first stone. And it will ALWAYS stay in its holster right? So the only downside of the top chamber being empty is one less round available before reloading. OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! 1 - 20 of 30 Posts. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered.
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