Think about how much this could help golfers from the rough as well. It will also increase the offset of the club, not a huge amount, but at two degrees, it is noticeable to me. It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". If you're a digger already, could make for deeper digging! Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. Novak has finished 11th after the first round in Hawaii, fifth at Torrey Pines and in the top-30 at Pebble Beach and at the Honda. There only seems to be one logical reason to do this and thats just in the odd situation where someone needs more bounce. Yes, the T200 can be bent 2 degrees flat and beyond 2 degrees upright Titleist manufactures heads 2 degrees upright which can be bent up to a further 2 degrees i.e up to 4 degrees from standard Please sign in to comment TUser January 21, 2020 at 08:09 AM Along the same lines, I got my new T200 irons late last year. Still many worries about bending lofts due to bounce changes, and many also thinkthat shafts can lift or lower ball flight by changing dynamic loft, but without anything happening to bounce, but that cant be prevented, bounce always follows loft no matter if loft was changed due to bending, angle of attack, or adifferent shaft, all 3 scenarios has the same changes. Will I be digging too much? Weakening lofts makes zero sense to me. Don't think you'd notice a difference of 2. * MD4 54/10 S-Grind replacedMD3 54/12 W-Grind. Each one of those sees him rightly disputing the market number one, but Im not sure I can get involved at around 20-25-to-one with any of the favourites, even if they hold excellent claims. If its putting or greenside scoring, spend your time working on those aspects instead of beating balls on the range. What I havent seen mentioned is that iron shafts have changed a great deal and offer more low kick (higher launch/spin) options to be able to match with those lofts. Callaway Epic - HZRDUS BlackCobra F9 3 Wood I meant decrease loft and make stronger. Would bending it serve the same result? Golfers change the lie angle of a club to better their chances of hitting the center of the clubface. Lynx Black Cat irons were set this way, so I had to have the 5 iron bent 2*, the 6 iron 1.5, the 7 iron 1.0 and the 8 iron .5 (this was my experimental set). Yes for that particular Ball Speed, the ball can not carry any further with a better stopping power than with those conditions. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. I have plenty of X-flex swing speed and don't need the high launch (that just kills me in headwinds), but like the forgiveness on mishits. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. 00bolt, September 12, 2016 in WRX Club Techs. I have a 17-degree 4-wood, a 21-degree hybrid, a 26-degree hybrid, and a 29-degree iron as my longer (non-driver) clubs. for the better golfer, these lofts leave nothing at the bottom of the bag. Much of Harrison Endycotts claims were covered in the2023 Players To Followlist, but the summary is worth repeating to justify his selection this week. Your 4i and 5i will tend to get more rollout than the higher # irons, hence the 3* loft gaps. The fitter can then analyze a golfers swing pattern and adjust the lie angle accordingly. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. Tour Preferred X or TP5x ball. 1 is somewhere between somewhat important to very important, then the next question has to be. Your link has been automatically embedded. The main reason it is done on GolfWRX is so people can brag how far they hit their irons, generally with a passive brag. I should have made the same swing with a 9 iron, to compensate for the lie, but did not.". If experience still trumps explanations, simulations and printouts, print out some ebay listings there are lots of older sets with barely used 3 irons. Putters have the least loft, usually from 2 to 4 degrees. I was a little worried I might notice the offset or have trouble with hitting them fat, but they look perfect and play like they should. From my research into various golfer communities, it is highly likely that if you are reading this blog post you probably are playing to somewhere between a 5 and 16 handicap. It is a combination of those factors to get consistent results. All bending machines are not accurate in their readings. Working through the grades, hisdebut, five-shot victory on the KFT,was backed up with a pair of top-10s and two-top-20s, easily enough to nab his PGA Tour card for 2022/23. The loft difference in the AP2 7 iron and AP3 6 iron is 6 degrees apart. This is even less a personal thing than the grip with very little variation, there is a single way to set up to a golf ball to help a good golf swing happen. A flat lie angle is simply when the heel of the golf club is bent so it is higher than the toe. But if it'll mess up the performance or whatnot, I'm not messing with it. I also don't mind the little more offset I don't over cut it. I do know a typical modern club the PW has the loft of like an older blade 8 iron. The simple fact is that good golf cannot be played with a bad grip on the club. Golfers can talk about shafts until they are blue in the face, and different shafts will make a difference in control, feel and sometimes launch and spin. It, In any case one can't really compare clubs anymore with respect to asking what someone hit. Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). For example, the first generation M2 5-iron has a loft of 21.5. Clear editor. So you bend them 1 degree strong, bounce follows it by a degree. Guaranteed that if you looked at your ball speed it was dramatically higher. Barring physical limitations, anyone can learn to hold the club properly, and you can practice it anywhere from the sofa in front of your TV to your office while on a call. I just purchased a new set of 716MB irons. See below the make percentage for an average golfer from varying distances. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. The industry is run by marketing divisions, who are responsible for stronger lofted irons, in the mistaken belief that lower loft equals more distance. I showed him all the stats on the monitor and he was in agreement but when it came to buying the actual driver he insisted on buying the 9.5 head with the TP after all the work on the launch monitor. would 2 degrees be too much and change the club's characteristics too much? By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. Great article. Your previous content has been restored. TM Spider Mallet w/ Carbon insert Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 probably best to just change the shaft length), You stand tall over the golf ball when swinging, Your golf ball starts towards the right of your target (left for lefties), You hit the golf ball off the toe of the cub more often causing the clubface to open up and create push or slice. PING Forged wedges Thats basically what companies are doing anyway. With your height you obviously need to be fit properly. 5 Testers Needed! There was only an added 2 yards with the stronger lofts of trackman. Backups:Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Adjusting 2 degrees strong will kill the bounce of your irons. I believe that you can't really bend your irons too much but to accommodate I am thinking of bending my AP2s 1 degree stronger and AP3s 1 degree weaker so that I have better gaping. Clubs are mass-produced with certain manufacturing variances in every factory. Your golf ball starts off towards the left of your target (right for lefties). Thanks for your advice, its been helpful. Can you bend a metal wood? For you lower swing speed players, go to blades with weaker lofts or better yet go to an old vintage blades with the pitching wedge 52 degrees, and you can hit the ball farther hehe. This feels like an anyone week the back-nine on Sunday could be fun. Just curious for those who have personal experience with this as to the answer. I know it will increase the bounce. Absolutely GREAT analogy RoverRick. Should I see any difference in 1 degree stronger irons? By NYonce. OP, which is it you are asking about.. making a club 2* stronger or increasing loft? IG: golfer_scott Golfers should liken their iron fittings to that of a driver. Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. I know my distances with the Ping set too well and I dont want to go through a whole season of trial-and-error with new irons, so would it make sense to have my new Mizuno irons bent to the old Ping specs? All data in this article is gathered from Shot Scopes database of over 140,000 golfers and in excess of 250 million shots recorded using performance tracking products such as the unique PRO LX+ laser rangefinder. How much of static bounce is positive at impact?..we have to start from a static bounce of MORE than the difference to have any, and 31* minus 20.2* = 10.8 static bounce is needed to get ZERO. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. The bounce on the 3-iron is already 0 degrees, so will bending the club for a stronger loft make the bounce go negative? Copyright 2022 MyGolfSpy Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 High bounce irons absorb a change like this more easily. But the end result for an iron fitting is the same: I want the customer to leave with a set of irons that produce the best possible launch conditions for them. Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34" -or- Cleveland Huntington Beach #1, 34.5" -or- Golden Ram TW Custom, 34" -or- Rife Bimini, 34" This will reduce any penalty shots and subsequently the number of doubles-or-worse in your round. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM. Undershooter I couldn't agree more, they are a thing of beauty but also of art, it'll change the effect the way the club goes through the turf, I've lost some distance using these because I was hitting the new T-MB which 3 iron went a mile, but the 3 iron in the MB's is what dreams are made of, way easy to hit and launch, I wouldn't want to mess with it, that being said I did increase the lie up 2 degrees for my swing:). The bounce on irons is pretty much a non starter in my opinion. Callaway Epic - HZRDUS BlackCobra F9 3 Wood By Even forged clubheads made of the wrong steel . (I ran into this today.) (others have mentioned) I went to GG with my pops and hit the speedblade 9i for sheets and was hitting them 165-170why? You can post now and register later. I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. I already have a udi 2i and am too cheap to buy a 1i to replace it. Thats not to say this exotic land doesnt bring a classy winner. pic.twitter.com/dNhfPEcR4F https://t.co/Talvwe7Kng. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Played a mp30 2i for most of the year as a gap from my 3i to my 3 wood. on tight fairways. The sole on that thing is tiny compared to any driving iron and I still had no trouble hitting it off the deck. What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2021, post-MAX changeover), Driver: Tour Edge EXS10.5, set 9.5;weights neutral ||FWs:CallaRogue4W + 7W, Hybrid: Calla Big Bertha OS4H at 22 ||Irons:Calla Mavrik MAX 5i-PW, Wedges*: Calla MD3:48MD4: 54, 58||Putter:Slotline Inertial SL-583F w/ SuperStroke 2.MidSlim (50 gr. The bend overlap in angle iron will be bigger so you need to allow for a 1/2 inch. It wasn't so much the distance I was concerned with but that I hit it a bit too high with a normal swing and it caused some issues on windy days. if we move from a "high launch" to a Low launch shaft, who reduce loft by 2* we also lost 2* bounce. Its like that distance is just not filled. Not only does it mess with the bounce/offset, but it's only a number on the sole if the club. Epoxy Curing Times for Golf Clubs, Work Life and Shear Strength. For most players the answer is - MORE than we normally can bend static lof, Lower launch, lower flight (generally) but you lose some bounce and add offset, Titleist TSi4 8.25* / Fujikura Ventus Black TR 7-X Not a dispute with the OP, maybe even validation, but what about head style? And visa versa, if the original bounce is low and/or the club has a sharp leading edge, the reduction in bounce may have a significant impact on playability. Brent Grantcould very well be one of the seasons fairy stories by September, having already secured his 2022/23 card with a stunning 50-foot birdie putt on the last hole of the Korn Ferry Tour Championship enough to finish 11th and sneak in. Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). You don't say what club it is, but Rev said it sounds like a long iron and I agree. He is also 1 of 33 TrackMan Masters in the world, and has completed thousands of successful fittings using TrackMan. All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. of distance, and more playable iron trajectories. In the five starts mentioned above, the St. Simons resident has some impressive first round finishes. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? Well driving iron to be exact. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell Not sure about the AP2s. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. Plus, those superlight steel shafts in the 85-90 gram range feel like a softer flex than what is listed, probably due to the thinner steel in the shaft. make it a "digger" per say? It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther, and this is understandable. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. The one with a ballflight too high, is delivering the clubhead Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. I've had plenty of clubs bent a degree or two and never had an issue with how the clubs performed, even a wedge. Its ball speed not loft that is increasing distance. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. Thank you for such an eye opening article. Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. Privacy Policy 16,822. (more on this down below). Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. Long story short, I'm about to have the 5,6,7,8 iron bent 2 degrees weaker, 9 iron 1 degree weaker, and AW 1 degree stronger. Furthermore, he was 15th at the end of the first round on debut here last year and 11th after Thursdays round at the correlative Corales in the Dominican Republic. The difference after they were set to factory lofts and lie for my swing was amazing! i realize the distance and ball flight. some strong lofts there, i thought you had blade type irons so, which have weaker lofts? Since such a precise hit is needed to take advantage of the lower loft, the average distance each club hits the ball tends to converge at lower lofts for less-skilled players. How Long Do They Last, Driving Iron Advantages and Disadvantages, You are using clubs that are too tall for you (easy fix is to change the shaft length), You stand far away from the golf ball when making a swing. Reset Password 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. Albion, MI 49224
traditional lofts ftw (let the technology be what determines added length/distance, not loft changes). This also gives me room for more wedges. 2023 Acushnet Company. A long iron doesn't have much bounce anyway since it was made to not take a big divot. Bettinardi Studio Stock SS28, Didn't think of that. Best Shaft For Wedges, Need A New Golf Glove? When my first 'proper' set of clubs (MP30s) were done - at the same time as a Driver Shaft fitting - a couple were out considerably (the 6 iron had the loft of a 5!)! I did this to reduce the spin rate. I am a club fitter also and see this every day. 716 MB'S It sorts my gapping out perfectly as a result. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. Learn how your comment data is processed. I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. Seriously. Im also adding a 5 wood to the bag and changing to a 54/60 wedge set-up. i dont need that. Needless to say, some people need more bounce than others; pickers don't need much bounce but diggers do. My old callway x forged dug more than my bent mp-4's. Changing the lie angle of a club can help golfers more consistently hit shots off of the center of the clubface. Now if you take some of the modern GI irons with the thick sole and rounded leading edge (Infiniti brand Assure comes to mind) you can de loft or strong loft it 3 or 4 degrees with no problem at all. You cannot paste images directly. You won't notice it. If this continues well end up with 25* 7 irons and carry 6 or 7 gap wedges. A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? I know for people with slower swing speeds these crazy lofted, ultimate SGI irons are perfect. Would they still be ideal? Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). Hi all, I was wondering if bending a club 2* strong would affect the playability of said club? A good tune-up is a good tune-up regardless of the final loft gaps. 3" = 4.6* and 6" = 9.2* change in loft. TM TP EF Tour Issue 50* & 56*, 62* Still, someone has to win, and, with such dead wood, punters might smile at this opportunity to nab the winner of an event returning to its status as an opposite event expect LIV to make an offer in 2024. Late to the party but I was just searching this topic and saw your post, I just bought an old set of mizuno's that are bent 2* strong for the exact same reason as you stated above. But bending an iron weak is not as well understood by many golfers, so they are more hesitant. The 27-year-old made his way onto the top level by virtue of his performance on the Korn Ferry Tour during the combined Covid seasons, and hes doing a great job in honing his craft. All Rights Reserved. I'm curious what effect bending the irons 1 or 2 degrees strong would have on the irons playability. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Why knowing the different variations in epoxy matter Here How to create excitement before they take the first What you can expect with a Mitchell Golf Angle Mitchell Golf Equipment Company
It just depends. Contact Us When you get 2* gaps on the long end there is almost no difference between clubs. My advice would be to start by making sure the lofts are set to manufacturers specs. December 27, 2014 in Club Making/Repair & DIY Projects. And here is why. The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. You can be assured there is not a single successful player in the professional ranks who does not have a fundamentally sound grip on the club. is 2 degrees enough to mess up a club? That is why getting the numbers is so important. On the opposite and gapping from AW to 9i is very wide about 16 yards about between clubs. Todays golf ball travels farther than ever before and I dont see any need to jack up the short iron lofts. One good example comes to mind. Thanks! Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. Bag Old School Jones Original non stand. Having spent a lot of his childhood in Hawaii and now on a course that will reward his best asset, Grant can justify this snippet from a recent interview: Fortunately for me, I grew up in the wind.. Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. Shane Lowry on the new Srixon ZX Mk II line (fairway wood, utility, ZX5/ZX7 irons). having a discussion with a friend and we are in disagreement. Good info to pass along regarding COG. I highly recommend that golfers get fitted before making a large purchase on golf clubs. Well gee, I guess if you cant get a 7 iron in the air, you really do need some help haha. Taylormade SIM UDI 2i / Diamana THUMP 100X, Taylormade P770 3i (bent weak) / Project X LS 6.5, Taylormade P7MC 5-7i, P7MB 8-9i / Project X LS 6.5. Idk CG specifics on those models, but I have seen similar results with I20, and G25. Uneven lies can vary more than an inch, and based on club geometry that is 1.6* right there, and I can't say I had much effect on the playability of the club. Surely getting consistent results and regular yardage gaps between clubs is more important than shooting for some ideal stats that may go against your natural swing? 00bolt, May 18, 2017 in WRX Club Techs. If you think about it, a flatter lie would be toe down for your swing. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. Display as a link instead, I dont want the extra length added to the shaft plus the x7 2i shaft I have for it is the last x7 shaft i have. Everyone's comments are super helpful! This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. PXG 0311P Gen 3 - 5to PW - Nippon 125 X So the assumption is that the loft alone is what is creating more distance with the new irons. But Im not sure whats being accomplished with weakening irons. I tried it today but I can still hit my 6i farther than my 64 degree lw. How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? About time someone who knows what theyre talking about said what the the real deal is with loft and modern clubs. A lot of mixing and matching Location. Thankfully gone are the days of everyone demanding s300 S or X when they dont have the swing speed to support them. Still have questions? By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. The most common complaint I hear from golfers looking for new irons is that all the lofts are jacked strong. If someone is playing an iron set, for instance, from the late 1990s or earlier they will most likely find their irons to be 2-to-3 degrees weaker than todays game-improvement irons, and even some players irons. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. You can post now and register later. Being a golf club designer and marketer, I certainly know that there are gains to be made in your efficiency by availing yourself of the right modern equipment. Watch this great video here if you are curious on how to bend the lie angle of a club using a loft/lie machine: Impact tape is a tape that a club fitter places on the face of the golf club that creates marks of where the golfer struck the ball on the clubface. I'm guessing it will dig more but how much more? It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). But if your best place for improvement is in your approach shots or play with the long clubs, you simply must work on your fundamentals of the golf swing. Well this article outlines a variety of statistics which will help you pinpoint which areas of the game you are above or below average. Ping G30 irons w/Recoil 95 Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. Clear editor. FAQs Might actually help on hard ground. Step 3. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. Clear editor. Balls: Chrome Soft, Kirkland Signature 3pc, Srixon Q Star Tour, Grip preference: various GripMaster leather options. Theyre selling the clubs by saying that you will hit them longer, yet like you said, many of those whod need the help arent really hitting at least the longer irons any longer. We dive into a subject we get A LOT of questions about, bending your clubs properly. Endycotts weakness so far seems to be the driver, and with his stats suggesting he recovers well top-15 for approaches in recorded events this non-penal track should suit. So, if you really want to get better at golf, start by learning how to hold the club properly. JavaScript is disabled. Sure. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. I completely agree with this! Titleist U500 3 & 4 Oban Kiyoshi Purple Tour Reserve I always found it a bit strange that I could be 20-40 yards ahead of some friends yet hit the same distance with mid to short irons. question on bending a forged iron 2 degrees strong By ssfranny, January 22, 2019 in WRX Club Techs Reply to this topic Start new topic ssfranny Lefty Boomers 3.5k Feedback 20 0 0 Total Rating 100% Posted January 22, 2019 Have a set of basically new MP 53s I want to bend them 2 degrees strong to make them play more a modern loft. TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana Military. Just about every club that leaves the factory won't be 100% spot on for loft, manufacturing tolerances are going to throw that out. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Distance is fine, but I have an overly high flight in the wind. This happens probably most frequently with wedges, when a person wants to play 3 instead of 4 wedges for example. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. As long as the spin rate is acceptable, the new irons, because of their lower center of gravity, are going to produce more speed off the face (due to the lower loft and lower COG) and more distance. I would be using it off the ground as well, a little of both. Lets assume that the launch angle with a modern-lofted set of irons is ideal. Bubba might better be able to answer that question, I know you can with the mb or cbs. I haven't built them yet, i was wondering if the results are still working out a year or so later? Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? Ping Redwood Anser- the "real deal!".