Afterward, players lose reputation for killing a faction member regardless of a successful sneak kill unless that weapon is silenced and the player remains completely hidden. Several Powder Gangers mill about the yard, and several are posted at the tops of the towers. (Many cops in real life are facing the same judgement too.) This is because the Courier's reputation with them will drop to the lowest rank possible (like Idolized to Wild Child or Liked to Soft-Hearted Devil). I did the same when I reached novac and got shunned and now everyone attacks me on sight. [Non-game 1][6] The inmates were tasked with maintaining a railroad alongside the Long 15 under military supervision, keeping the vital link between the Boneyard and New Vegas alive. They do shot you on sight because they are powder gangers. As for the merchants in Goodsprings, I guess if you're ok with killing a doctor and a bartender for a 50% discount regular merchant, then go ahead. Instead all they do is mouth off to me in dialogue. For example, if the player character wears Legion armor and kills an NCR soldier, Infamy will be gained, but will be reset to one's prior reputation upon the removal of the disguise. Huh. Contents 1 Background 2 Organization 3 Relations with the outside 4 Technology 5 Interactions with the player character 5.1 Quests 5.2 Effects of player's actions 6 Members 7 Notable quotes 8 Endings Powder Ganger Rusher: An outfit fit for a psycho. The Brotherhood of Steel will give the player character a key to the, They will replenish an ammunition crate next to, Lucius will teach the player character the special, The Legion will also provide various items within boxes outside of, Allows the player character to convince the mercenaries in, Allows the player character to convince each camp in, Required along with a Speech of 50 to trade with. The Gangers are violent and hate the NCR with a passion. You know, what you are talking about was actually intended to be in the game but was cut. Circumstances, but circumstances can change. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). How do you get the key to open a set of doors in sunset sarsaparilla headquarters? Since there really isn't anything left to do there after the battle, it couldn't hurt. Helping the town is the more moral choice. Using faction armor, it is possible to gain a higher reputation than would be possible. Siding with the Powder Gangers in Goodsprings will get you Shunned by the NCR. IS there a way to stop beig vilified from the powder gangers. Assignment is the defense of New Vegas. Fallout Wiki is a FANDOM Games Community. Or alienate them. In both of these cases, the entrance remains locked from the inside, however. This may only happen when wiping out the location without help from the NCR. Contents 1 Background 2 Interactions with the player character 2.1 Interactions overview 2.2 Other interactions 3 Combat notes 4 Inventory 5 Notable members 6 Bugs 7 Appearances Background Fallout: New Vegas side quest Ghost Town Gunfight Powder Gangers attacking Goodsprings Location Goodsprings Given by Trudy Ringo Rewards 250 caps (100 at Goodsprings, 150 at the Crimson Caravan Company) 150 XP Goodsprings fame +12 Powder Gangers infamy +12 Factions Goodsprings Powder Gangers Related quests Run Goodsprings Run Technical Editor ID (So they wouldn't fall off cliffs). Other reputations are unaffected. Fallout: New Vegas. I think you'd still be able to do the quests for them at the NCRCF, and the Vault 19 Powder Gangers aren't affected by your reputation with them. This quest is pretty bad designed, I mean if you want to clean out the facility you have to play nice with the gangers first? Negative reputation can be earned by things such as killing members of a group, being caught stealing, lying, being rude or treating people poorly, or completing quests for the opposite side. shamelesscreature 2 yr. ago. Even if they are hostile to you. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos News Guides Reviews . Link: https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/I_Fought_the_LawFallout New Vegas I Fought the Law (Powder Ganger) Quest Walkthrough Eddie can still see through your disguise, but there's a delay between the time where he first spots you and when he aggros. fast-traveling away from HELIOS One after activating ARCHIMEDES before the notification of NCR Infamy has time to pop up), the player character will not receive the boost/penalty until the next time one travels to that location. Here's the thing about stealing: Don't get caught. But it is a difficult quest for low level characters. Also, be aware that karma is largely irrelevant in New Vegas and that it is infamy with specific factions which gets you shunned by them. Are there anyways i can earn fame with the powder gangers? Gangers quest is buggedbadly. Support items like the NCR Emergency Radio will also become useless, and faction privileges like the McCarran monorail will be lost. All of these will be compatible with this mod. Their biggest raid occurred on Sloan, where they stole an entire cache of dynamite used by the workers to mine Quarry Junction. The community on the outskirts of the Strip has its own code, accepting to those that help, and shunning to those that do not. That would allow you to do the NCRCF quests more easily whichever way you want to proceed. Community Forum Software by IP.BoardLicensed to: Nexus Mods. Hey all, I'm no new player to fallout but I've had a problem crop up. Karma generally doesn't matter. Carter MetalGearGekko 11 years ago #1. Leaders Since I will now not be able to talk to Eddie to get to the stage where I can betray him by initiating the NCR attack, I was wondering if there is another chance to start the NCR attack on the facility. It's true that Powder Gangers are very useless. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. NCR hit squads will warn the player character to change their reputation with NCR within three days or they will come after them, trying to kill the player character. If any neutral (black in table above), but at least one instance of positive reputation had been gained, or better, Additionally, one can be granted access to the. Also, once the reputation of 'Wild Child' is earned, there is no ability to change it at all. Later down the line you will be making amny choices that end up affecting your reputation with various factions. EVE adds energy weapons to Joe Cobb's gang. Wiping out every Powder Ganger in the facility may cause a prospector to appear here and remain indefinitely. The legion definitely has some bug, i always treated them like varmint shooting them whenever i saw them in my first game and they still talked to me and remained calm. Also I tried a disguise but it didnt work. Upon entering the facility through the front door, one will find themself in the visitor's center, a lounge-like area with tables, a desk, a first-aid box and a counter with a broken terminal on it. Refusing to participate in this quest, as long as it is done politely, will still earn Fame, albeit much less (+1). That said, the mod can still be started and finished if installed on an ongoing playthrough, with a minor hiccup if the player has already wiped out NCRCF. The first task is to "take care" of a Powder Ganger named Chavez, who Eddie believes is setting up his own crew without permission. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). No idea if that was really intended, but it feels like a bug. NCRCF (exterior)NCRPrisonAdministrationNCRPrisonBlockANCRPrisonBlockBNCRPrisonVisitorsCenter You can actually do all of Eddie's requests without killing anyone, so no karma issues. Camp Forlorn Hope morale was not rebuilt before agreeing to stage the attack on. I thought being "shunned" toward a faction would result in them attacking me on site? Blew up the monorail, but failed to frame a. [3] This led to deathclaws settling into the quarry and plaguing the northern reaches of Long 15, shutting down caravan traffic to New Vegas. A positive reputation may yield positive dialogue, discounts from vendors, and even free gifts from wandering citizens. Reputation is separated into two categories: Fame and Infamy. You need to do both quests for them in order to even get a liked reputation and on the way to the prison you can't even kill the ones that attack you or you lose reputation. Also, assuming you care about what your reputation is with the Powder Gangers, the reputation reduction you by killing them in the quest hardly affects anything regarding the three or four quests regarding the Powder Gangers. Another advantage is that this mod causes less bloat, by altering less entries. If Arcade had not previously been recruited, and reputation was. I've done the goodsprings side many times and still did powder gangers quests and walked freely through their territory. I can still walk into their towns, trade, etc. Map In other words, while it is possible to move from 'Hated' to 'Sneering Punk', then 'Unpredictable', then 'Dark Hero' by doing more and more good deeds while avoiding bad ones, there is no permanent way to move from 'Hated' back to 'Neutral' or from 'Hated' to 'Idolized.' Mister Holdout will sell weapons to the player character at an inflated price. There are upwards of 40 empty whiskey bottles lying around in the prison yard. 1K. Understaffed. If you manage to kill somebody while sneaking, your relation do not suffer. Choosing to spread the new power equally across the entire Vegas grid (+12). Headwear is found in articles of matching armor where possible. Reputation in Fallout: New Vegas is a measurement of how the different factions in the Mojave Wasteland perceive the player character. The player character can also ignore Pearl's request. They pray on caravans and travellers, including you. Maybe if they hadn't bothered to design the Prison Uniforms or hand place a bunch of empty whiskey bottles around the NCRCF facility they could have deleted the little part in the file that makes ash piles never go away, or they could have improved pathfinding for companions. Just run away if you happen to get in to the fight with them. I've done the Powder Gangers quests, and quite frankly there just isn't any incentive to help them. You have to be sneaking (crouched) and you have to be hidden (it'll say [HIDDEN] at the top of the screen when you're [HIDDEN],) to avoid gaining negative reputation with whatever faction you're stealing from. Quests *shrugs*. Performed surgery successfully by passing a 9, Reporting to Colonel Moore or Mr. House that the Omertas have been dealt with in, Speaking to Caesar after completing either, Caesar dies in any circumstance, except during his operation in. If that doesn't work, I do ghost town gunfight after the NCRCF. Please present your passport. I didn't realize that was necessarily a bug. I like to do the Goodsprings side personally because Doc Mitchell is the main doctor I buy meds from. And if the player character is 'Idolized', they move down the chart to 'Wild Child'. Both types of reputation are tracked separately, the combination of which determines one's reputation with any given faction. Broken, bitten, maimed and cut. There are two things to keep track of: karma and reputation. Shunned basically means they don't want anything to do with you, but not more than that. He can either be convinced to "move on" with 30 Speech skill or killed. The combined effects of the two scales result in an overall reputation that is either positive, neutral, or negative. You can loot one from Joe Cobb. As a Moments subpage, all spoilers are unmarked as per policy. The dialogue option to report dropping the radioactive waste will override the first and Astor will act as if the radioactive waste was dropped while the Legion was still present.). If the player character becomes Vilified with the Powder Gangers, they will not be able to enter the facility without its inhabitants turning hostile. It's true that Powder Gangers are very useless. Camp Forlorn Hope morale was rebuilt slightly before agreeing to stage the attack on Nelson with Major Polatli (+2). He even ask for the pardon and he want to protect primm from any harm by his frontier justice and put on the sheriff's uniform to make things cooler. Fame/Infamy are tracked independently of each other. I think you can give Boxcars a bunch of Med-X too to help ease his pain in Nipton. Anyone know if this is supposed to happen or does it depend on how many Powder Gangers you yourself actually kill during the quest? For Fallout: New Vegas on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Can anyone help with Powder Gangers and NCR early on?". Its a bit more nuanced than that but basically if you shot them you're done, if you didn't you can bring it back. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). Ref ID 1. I only start in Goodsprings occasionally. At the beginning of the game, i sided with the Town Of Goodsprings against the powder gangers and everytime i try to go to the NCRCF i get shot at and i cant ally with them. Forever hated, lacking food, warmth, and sanity? All rights reserved. With every faction except Goodsprings, the Boomers and Novac, reputation will reset to neutral. I never saw much reforming around here, myself. You Have Been Warned. Stealing chems on the table in the warden's office gives the player character infamy with the Powder Gangers, even if they are all dead. Arcade Gannon will refuse to be the player character's companion. Get enough of it and they'll start to attack on sight, but wearing faction-armour will disguise you (just be aware some NPCs can see through it). Only "Shunned" by Powder Gangers after Ghost Town Gunfight. For Fallout: New Vegas on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Shunned from Mojave Outpost and Vicki and Vance Casino in Primm". [Non-game 1][7], Under the lead of Samuel Cooke, a small group of inmates gathered weapons and explosives before rebelling against the NCR staffing the facility. Or would I just have to wait until later and take care of it by myself? Inhabitants Not only are they the lowest level of raider, they get [censored] over the fastest. Fallout: New Vegas location So I am now more or less around Novac, the NCR has been put to the task of keeping Primm in check and I have unfortunately missed out on going to the NCRCF before handling the Powder Gangers at Goodsprings. Factions Powder Gangers love to hold grudges. Im not very far into the game but restarting would reset lots of progress. Short of either eliminating them entirely or using console commands, probably not. Hannigan Not undermanned. Always alone? Helping them is way better than help good springs. Both Jacob Hoff and Bill Ronte were successfully cured of, or convinced to seek help for, their additions (+12). Other than it being the starting area of the game it's pretty boring imo. Powder Ganger Simple: A simple t-shirt and jumpsuit combo. Factions provide the following benefits/consequences with adequate reputation: In addition, one's reputation with the major factions affects the kind of Courier duster that is received at the end of Lonesome Road. What I always do is during Ghost Town Gunfight, I only kill 3 or 4 of the Powder Gangers. They're hostile to the player for the most part, so they're just asking to get popped. Whether or not the Courier has provoked Powder Gangers elsewhere, the Powder Gangers here are not hostile unless the player character has established a negative reputation with the faction overall. --------------COMPATABILITY-------------- It's an interesting bug, one I have no idea how I produced. Equip the armor of the faction the player character is trying to work with to reset reputation to neutral. If Veronica had never been interacted with before becoming. There are very few ways but here a re a couple off the top of my head. It's a sort of tutorial for the reputation system. Mayor is the only one who don't want to take part in any crime because he himself was a crime fighter, get put to the jail because he's too hardcore. Why did the NCR think it was a good idea to give convicts dynamite and to send a felon from their jail in California that is known for using explosives to commit crimes to the Mojave jail that was undermanned? If you talk to the guy at the door he should let you in for a hundred caps or something with a disquise. I end up shunned or hated, but I can still enter the NCRCF and do Eddie's quest. Camp Forlorn Hope morale was rebuilt decently before agreeing to stage the attack on Nelson with Major Polatli (+4). One can also then prompt further dialogue questioning Ulysses why the Marked Men are comprised of both NCR and Legion soldiers working together, despite the two sides normally being enemies, to which Ulysses will talk about how their feelings of suffering and abandonment have united both in a combined hatred. Well It ried that and it didn't work, screw it I'm just going to kill them all and see if I get the good ending anyway. Great for those who prefer to sling their dynamite than getting up close and personal. Completing quests, helping people, and generally making oneself useful will result in accumulating positive reputation points. I tend to have the same problem with the Legion as well. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 102. Privacy Policy. The prison has one main entrance, which is guarded by a Powder Ganger named Dawes. ? It may take a couple of times but I always do it if I start on the side of Goodsprings. [Non-game 1] The prisoner population dispersed, with some following Cooke into Vault 19, and others staying with Eddie as Powder Gangers, and established camps around the correction facility. Saying Nipton "got what was coming to them" when first accepting the aforementioned quest from Vulpes (+1). Complete How Little We Know by assisting Big Sal at Gomorrah in his preparations to stage an uprising on the Strip for Caesar (-12). Fame is positive and Infamy is negative. New vegas has two settings, rep and hostility. The minimum reputation required for each range are: There is no way to remove reputation points from either scale, except for the NCR, Legion, and Freeside: Beyond that, any positive or negative reputation with a given faction cannot be removed, only offset by a larger Fame or Infamy value. In the table below, these are colored green, black, and red respectively. I never talk to Trudy, and don't even enter the saloon. Turn in all 3 supply caches and pass the Science check for the irradiated supplies (+2). First time through if you shot at me you died so obviously I wasnt friendly with the gangers. My current playthrough has that bug with the Legion. Local map This is a very simple mod, all it does is make Joe Cobb and his five Powder Ganger friends associated with the Fiends. You keep the Trudy, the bartender, and Doc Mitchell alive, so thats a plus. It is affected by positive and negative deeds that affect the faction in question, such as completing quests or killing members, respectively. ", Fast traveling to this location can result in a group of wild dogs spawning and attacking if the Courier does not have the. Blew up the monorail and succeeded in framing a scapegoat to secure Ronald Curtis' cover (+12). If one's reputation with the NCR is above neutral, he will reply that the Courier has done a great deal in a short time and advises them to ask around. In cell block B just above the outside entrance, a sign reads "cell block K Z." As part of the first quest mentioned above, an NCR hit squad will approach and warn to improve reputation with the NCR within three days. How do I do that? -spoilers-. Once the dialogue is complete, check the Pip-Boy. When I was just shunned second time they did not turn hostile and I could talk to Eddie. If you managed to get yourself vilified, you out of luck. You've actually got to betray them to get that outcome. Disguises are only available for the five big factions (Brotherhood, Legion, Khans, NCR, and Powder Gangers) and, as such, only mask the standing with those five factions. They are introduced in Fallout: New Vegas as a large group of escaped convicts running amok on the I-15 highway area, harassing the small towns of Nipton, Goodsprings, and Primm. If loading a save is not an option, there are only 3 quests which let you gain Novac fame in order to get back to neutral or positive standing. Khans value strength, determination, and resilience. The Powder Gangers is a dead end. Dynamite is only good with perk but for my, I prefer frag or plasma grenades. They disappear completely from the storyline after the opening area. Killing members of any faction from a [HIDDEN] state will not cause one to gain Infamy as long as the weapon is considered silent and the target dies with one attack, or if one uses Mister Sandman. Fallout: New Vegas The NCR, Mr. House, and Caesar's Legion are battling it out for control of New Vegas. It is affected by positive and negative deeds that affect the faction in question, such as completing quests or killing members, respectively. Cookie Notice A state-of-the-art subreddit from Vault-Tec. The Powder Gangers, also known as the Powder Gangsters, are an antagonistic faction in the Fallout universe. The powder gangers residing at the prison just want freedom and to be left alone while the NCR want control. Reputation is separated into two categories: Fame and Infamy. Yeah, but given the circumstances the NCR are serving as the marshals, troopers and governor therefore they would have the power to pardon and deputize at their own discretion. One of the many mining car collections found in the facility, State prison sign before the turn off to the NCRCF. I don't think they attack you until you've been villified. Worsen the condition of an injured Boomer at the. But, you loose a lot of rep with them if siding with Goodsprings. If you manage to have the Goodsprings NPCs deliver the killing blows on the Powder Gangers during the shootout then you'll only end up being Shunned. Lie to Heck Gunderson about who took Ted Gunderson when taking him back to Heck (+12). Unresolved: Release in which this issue/RFE will be addressed. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, communism is a preferable alternative to communism. Page 1 of 3 - Shunned with NCR but they still dont attack me? IMO the best good guy plan is to not finish Ghost Town Gunfight until you do I Fought the Law. Additionally, Powder Gangers outside of the NCR Correctional Facility and the Powder Ganger camp south would originally attack them even with a neutral reputation if the player character gets too close to one, but this has been corrected in the latest patch to the game. Is Fallout new Vegas The Best in the series? This will knock your infamy up to a level where they won't be hostile to you yet. The facility is also under observation from the. So I became Shunned to the NCR and expected that the next time I ran into one of them I would immediately be attacked, but to my surprise I wasnt. Activate the self-destruct sequence of the Hidden Valley bunker (-100). I think that may be by design. Eddie holds the key to the Average locked room, which contains a substantial stash of ammunition and explosives. Several functions may not work. Powder gangers attack me even though idolized at base. They tell me to get lost most of the time, but if being vilified by NCR meant attacked on sight, you pretty much would have to stay away from civilization altogether. Ask questions of Pete about Boomer history and comment positively on each of them (+1 each). If you do it fast enough, normal dialogue will ensue and you can start I Fought The Law. kill sh t heads for early game karmaand no body can touch my sweet Sunny Trudy sandwich. If you need to kill them, do it while hidden. This was changed in the December 14, 2010 update. Reputation in Fallout: New Vegas is a measurement of how the different factions in the Mojave Wasteland perceive the player character. Weird. I pretty much couldnt get in but i killed someone close to that area that had a key so i got in and killed every single thing in there.
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